Selective standards of "bigotry" here at MyDD

I was just warned, and I fully expect to be banned (which will thankfully free up a lot of time), for the following comment:

"Yeah, it's not as if poor, elderly whites living in Appalachia are likely to be racist, right? Oh wait......"

To begin with, it seems highly hypocritical for the administrators of this site to warn me for making such a comment when numerous diaries authored by the site's proprietors have suggested the very same thing: that elderly, white, working-class voters in certain regions of the country (mainly Appalachia and the South) are uncomfortable voting for Obama because of his race; i.e. are "racists."

It's an undeniable demographic fact that racism is far more prevalent among the poor, the elderly, and within certain regions of the country. I suppose it's possible that the administrators seized on my use of the word 'likely' as evidence I was painting far too broad a stroke. However, let's look at some Pew survey results:  

http://people-press.org/reports/display. php3?PageID=754

According to this survey, only 49% of whites born between 1913 and 1927 and 60% of whites born between 1928 and 1945 approve of interacial dating. Likewise, only 60% of Southern whites of ALL demographics express a similar sentiment. Since we know that the elderly are the most racist demographic, and the South is the most racist region, I think it's very likely that far less than half of all elderly whites living in the South approve of interacial dating.  Now, Appalachia isn't included as a separate region in this survey, but from everything I've seen, similar attitudes prevail there. So I'd say that my contention that elderly, impoverished whites living in Appalachia are quite likely to be racist is pretty sound and in no way "bigoted." I fully expect an apology from the administrators, and barring that, I will gleefully accept my banning. Though I die, La Resistance lives on!!!      



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I dunno, maybe it's all in the timing and phrasing of it. You're making the comment on the heels of a great sweeping-up of the place, and tolerance for controversial remarks is understandably low.

However, I'm not sure this diary is the best way to address the issue. I would suggest you delete it, and maybe write a diary at some point that discusses  those statistics without making reference to your previous deleted comment. The admins don't like to be called out like that.


by Johnny Gentle Famous Crooner on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:29:10 PM EST

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The admins don't like to be called out like that.

I don't really care. For months now, I've heard a chorus of Clinton supporters fixate on the "fact" that white people won't vote for Barack Obama. I've also read numerous posts by the proprietors of this site indicating that white folks -- especially poor, elderly ones in certain areas of the country (so-called "Reagan Democrats") -- won't vote for a black candidate. There have also been numerous discussions in the liberal blogosphere of the sorts of explicit and implicit racial messages that Ronald Reagan sent to these voters. So I hardly see how my observation is any different; I'm simply willing to call a spade a spade whereas others would prefer to hide behind opaque euphemisms.


by RP McMurphy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:42:34 PM EST
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Selective standards of "bigotry" at MyDD (none / 0)

I think this is solid reasoning and falls into the "sad, but true" category. I don't think you should be banned for this diary.

I lost my comment rating and diary recommending abilities this week. Hopefully, I'll be reinstated soon. I may have crossed a line, but in comparison with the other craziness on this site, I didn't think my behavior here was that big of a deal. I guess I was wrong.

by power of truth on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:36:30 PM EST

I think encouraging racism (1.00 / 1)

is something we can agree is a bad thing.

The problem is that HRC's campaign and supporters haven't tapped enough racism to move super Ds away from Obama and toward Clinton over the Rev. J. Wright videos.

That leaves them hoping to find more racism and in some cases it looks like HRC's supporters are encouraging people to be more racist than they'd be without the encouragement.

And this encouraging racism and encouraging MyDDers to view "Whites" as more racist than they are leaves many of us offended with the HRC campaign.


Rrrinnggg... Time to change the government.
by Carl Nyberg on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:39:25 PM EST

The Super Ds are looking (2.00 / 1)

at money  and the enthusiasm for a black candidate. Plus he doesn't have the baggage. Haven't the polls shown that HRC and Obama are running even in match up against McCain.  

I don't see a conspiracy of someone encouraging me to be racist.  If anything, many of us are tiptoeing around trying to say the absolute correct things.  This is a grueling race - but it has to play out.  and the blogs are only one venue (though a noisy one and sometimes honest) - we're talking about history here - bigger than any of these blogs.


by Xanthe on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:36:00 PM EST
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And this encouraging racism and encouraging MyDDers to view "Whites" as more racist than they are leaves many of us offended with the HRC campaign.

Exactly. And let's be clear: Aside from some specific demographics in certain regions of the country, I don't think that very many white people in this country are racist (hell, I'm one of 'em). I'm also pretty confident that Obama will win the general election. What bothered me so much about the warning I received was that countless members of this site, including its proprietors, have been using white racism (or whatever euphemism with which they'd like to refer to it) as the prime reason to be wary of Senator Obama's candidacy and general election prospects. For the administrators to then turn around and scold me for pointing out the obvious seemed rather hypocritical.


by RP McMurphy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 05:53:04 PM EST

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They're doing a major clean-up of the place, the constant accusations of Obama running a racially based campaign were starting to make the site look really bad.  I would avoid implying any group of people is racist.  I would also delete this diary, suck up your warning, and move on.


by Skaje on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:17:48 PM EST

Re: Selective standards of "bigotry" (none / 0)

I won't defend your comment, but will point out that you can't be blamed for thinking it was appropriate in light of two front page diaries posted today which make the specious argument that Obama is unelectable because of bigotry.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:52:20 PM EST

Re: Selective standards of "bigotry" (none / 0)

I won't defend your comment,

What do you find so offensive about my comment? Is it untrue?

...but will point out that you can't be blamed for thinking it was appropriate in light of two front page diaries posted today which make the specious argument that Obama is unelectable because of bigotry.

Listen, I have no problem talking honestly about these issues and I'm a member of a generation far less preoccupied with them. I also don't have any problem with the site's proprietors pointing out that certain demographic groups seem less likely to support Obama, possibly due to race. Now, that's absolutely no reason to vote for his opponent, and if we have a problem with race in the Democratic Party, I'd much rather clean house and suffer defeat than perpetuate a status quo in which only people of one race are capable of occupying the highest office in the land.  


by RP McMurphy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:07:13 PM EST
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Re: Selective standards of "bigotry" (none / 0)

Look. I won't defend your remark because it wasn't worth defending. Period.

And I won't sit silently while some people try to gin up doubts about Obama based on bigotry, whether it's someone else's perceived or their own.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:51:20 PM EST
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Look. I won't defend your remark because it wasn't worth defending. Period.

Very elucidating response. Thank you.

And I won't sit silently while some people try to gin up doubts about Obama based on bigotry, whether it's someone else's perceived or their own.

Have I attempted to do that? No. As I stated previously, racism is an increasingly less salient issue that is now more or less confined to certain demographics and certain regions of the country. If that truism bothers you, I'm sorry, but your refusal to acknowledge lingering racism in certain parts of the country doesn't make it go away. Do you think that it's an accident that 90% of the black people in Mississippi vote Democratic and 90% of the white people vote Republican?

Moreover, I think Obama's chance at winning the general election is very good -- better than Hillary Clinton's, in fact.


by RP McMurphy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 08:48:15 PM EST
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Re: Selective standards of "bigotry" (none / 0)

The first part of my reply couldn't have been clearer. I will not defend your remark and I'm under no obligation to.

As for the second part, you commented about remarks by the site's proprietors and I responded to it. If you take their comments unto yourself, so be it.

As for discussing the bigotry of some people, it's only inapproprite when used as a means of attacking a candidate one doesn't support.

It would be the same if those who back Obama tried to imply that Hillary is unelectable because some voters are sexist. Maybe you've seen that someplace, but I never have and would denounce it if I did.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 09:08:11 PM EST
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He is unelectable because of the reaction to

OBAMA'S Bigotry

Obama's bigotry of his youth admitted in his books

Obama's bigotry by association with his 20 year paster

Obama's bigotry accusing everyone under the sun of being racist if they don't support him...

Non Racist white voters don't like that we are pushing an "ex-" racist as our nominee who seems to have a racist pastor.


by DTaylor on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:11:55 PM EST
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Re: Selective standards of "bigotry" (none / 0)

Looks like you're begging for a warning too. Enjoy.

I suspect people who think and talk like you would be voting for the Republican regardless.


Hillary: "Her dishonesty is actually honest." -- yellowdem1129
by Kobi on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:53:48 PM EST
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They're doing a major clean-up of the place, the constant accusations of Obama running a racially based campaign were starting to make the site look really bad.

Agreed, and I appreciate the absence of diaries comparing Obama to George Wallace.

I would avoid implying any group of people is racist.

Well, it's a good thing I didn't, then. What I did do was identify a particular cohort that is demographically far more likely to be racist than basically any other. I didn't say that ALL elderly, poor, white folks living in the South or Appalachia are racists; They're not. However, they are far more likely to be than an educated 20-something living in the North or West. You can dismiss this fact if it makes you uncomfortable, but I'd much rather examine these issues honestly than deny their existence.  

I would also delete this diary, suck up your warning, and move on.

Naw. Getting banned just means I'll have more free time; Heads I win, tales you lose.  


by RP McMurphy on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 06:57:44 PM EST

Re: MyDD is what it is...love it or leave it! (none / 0)

Come over to politicalfleshfeast.com and have similar fun! They're my two favorite websites. Regrets when the party has a nominee and we all have put on our smiley-face Dem masks here.


We can no longer afford to worship the god of hate or bow before the altar of retaliation. Martin Luther King Jr.
by fairleft on Wed Apr 02, 2008 at 07:46:57 PM EST


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